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If there are two things I don't understand with fandoms it's when:
1) People say "so-and-so doesn't get enough love" or "this character could use more attention" when it's actually one of the most popular characters in the fandom and you can find at least six billion pieces of fanart or material related to said character by doing one search alone.

2) People think they're "special" or "just weird like that ^__^" for liking 'psycho' characters. The "lol yea im sort of different becuz my fetish is crazy guys/chicks/characters and i guess that makes me strange lolol xD" variety.
Because seeing at least ten million characters, original or established, with the same 'tude grin, blood-covered mouth, goffick or scene attire, and "i-will-lick-this-bloody-knife-to-show-how-hardcore-i-am" generic anime "crazy person" pose is something you'd never find in a million years.



Actually, no. I do understand. I just think it's dumb.



That is all.


Edit: To prevent misunderstanding, that's not to say there are no "good" or "well-done" insane characters or that it's necessarily a bad thing to like them (I've liked a few myself). But to assume that it's a "rare" or "unique" thing to like them is just silly.
Edit: Since some also touched on this, people who use both 1) and 2) to gain attention or sympathy. Ex. "this character doesn't get enough love and im rly sad about it guys" when doing a search actually shows that their post is embedded within mountains of fanart or posts related to said character.
Edit: To add to the "insanity" thing, I don't think that every insane fictional character always has to have an illness that matches a real-life one 100 percent, but I do believe some creators/characters develop or flesh-out events or circumstances that lead up to the 'breakdown' better than others.
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pyangpyang Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
sobbing
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AnnaKlava Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
I said this. I will say this again. The Zim fandom is absolutely notorious for this shit.

And fandom characters are not alone. Actually, the only way you get anyone to look at your character is if they dress a certain way or have a killer history. Lolwat. People want to see carbon copies of NNY, or personalities of him in the least. That shit sells like hotcakes back where I'm at. And I don't know why I stick around there, I just do, I've been there since 2003-2004. There were still idiots running around, but now because Gir became overrated, well... look what happened. I don't want to sound like "OH THE GOLDEN AGES. THE GOOD OLE DAYS, THAT'S WHEN WE WERE COOLASS AND NONE OF THESE BRATS WERE EVER HERE.11" but to be honest, I was one of these fanbrats back then, most of these horrible fanbrats grow the fuck up and move on, or progress and move on.

I think I've seen enough of the killer irken crap already. I'm fine with normal shit, or something like that. Somehow the least thought out characters with 'edgy' personalities get toppled over by teeny-bopper to young 13-16 year old Zim fans. I rest my old fag case.
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In-The-Machine Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2011
Speaking of Nny....I own a copy of JTHM and all, I've read the book/comic, etc. but I think a number of people put Johnny (as a character) on a higher pedestal than he needs to be. Don't get me wrong, the work is funny and has its insightful moments, but with Nny it felt too much like the mind of an overly-angsty, overly-analytical high schooler despite the fact the man is somewhere in his 20s. Heck, I've even seen people say things like, "omg JTHM is such a deep and meaningful work and ppl like YOU are too dumb to understand that lolololz" (not -me- specifically, but in general).
It's like, "you're a 20-something-year-old man-teen that snaps and kills everyone on the street who wrongs him and has incessant screaming fits because fuck how cruel society is, okay, we got it."
Might've digressed from the psycho-fandom topic a bit there, but anywho...

Having murderous or "killer" characters isn't necessarily a bad thing. But giving how so many of them are (shallowly) executed and how common they are, that sort of removes any extra "edge" or "darkness" they hoped the character would have imo. Especially if they're dressed like scene kids or ravers or something.
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AnnaKlava Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
This this this! Nny is really nothing special. I used to think he was cool when I was 13/14 but he really is nothing special. He's just a wordy high vocabulary speaking guy who ...Well just as you put it. Over analytic disturbed goth guy with

It only looks deep on the surface because people over analyze it themselves. They aren't seeing past the big words and don't understand that Jhonen is actually writing a huge satire on his fans. They have noooo idea they're the butt of the jokes.

Yeah, they aren't bad, but everywhere you turn this site is just...laden with these archetypes. And dressing a killer in scene/goth/punk/hipster clothes just makes it all the more stereotypical and predictable.
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In-The-Machine Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2011
With, JTHM I wasn't sure if it was an exaggerated fictional representation of Jhonen himself or what, but I've seen him poke at goth subculture before so that actually does make a bit of sense lol.

how can u murder yor victims when they can see ur neon belts glowing a mile away in da dark
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AnnaKlava Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Wow I didn't finish my sentence there. I actually was distracted, sorry haha.

I dunno if it was a subtle personification of him, but I wouldn't doubt if it was.
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Fold39Crane Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I totally agree with you on the first point! Makes me want to shove a google page down their throats (or something less violent). However, there are times when I do fall madly in love with a character that I feel like they're not getting 'enough love'.. or more specially, enough 'appropriate' love. XD (you just can't search a character without something weird coming up)

For those second pointers... whenever I come across someone like that, I usually just brush them under a door mat and pretend they don't exist because they raise my eyebrows sometimes. Though, at the same time, generically, they are young hormone-raging, 'angst'-filled pre/teens and that category I definitely avoid. It's quite annoying how much people claim that they're special with some self-diagnosed illness (that is something I have a personal vendetta against). Not that no one is special (b/c everyone has merits they can be proud of), but the number of time I've heard those "I'm weird" statements drives me crazy. For me weird isn't "I love this crazy, BA guy; I'm weird; I'm going to doodle blood and gore; oh look at me, I'm weird and probably a bit psycho".
There are only two "weird"s in my world. The good weird: where your best friends practically dissembled your car seat as you go into the post office (gaw, I loved those days). And the bad weird: when you're so socially inept that you unintentionally stalked your crush of five frickin' years for an entire day even as they're hold you at a world's length away (not fun when you're on the receiving end, not fun at all).

gah, TL;DR, Ah, I'm tired (and lonely.. oh so lonely XD ), probably is why I'm ranting. ^^ Keep it up with your journals~ I love reading them ^^
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Ceriug Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2011  Student Artist
I'm a nutjob, people should worship me more.
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Kryione Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2011  Hobbyist Artist
Well...........It's not like it'll ruin somebody's life or something,right?......I do think it's a little....eh.......delusional.....for ppl to write comments like that but I don't think it's a big deal,AT ALL....
.....So I don't exaggerate about it....................:)
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In-The-Machine Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2011
I never said it was going to ruin somebody's life or that it was the biggest deal in the world. Just that it's rather overdone and exaggerated.
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Kryione Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2011  Hobbyist Artist
I know you didn't....I'm just making a point...why bother with them,anyway...It's their right....
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In-The-Machine Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2011
It's their right....

I'm not stalking them or telling them what to do, all I did was make a journal expressing my viewpoint on the subject. I'm pretty sure that's also my right.
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Kryione Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2011  Hobbyist Artist
Yeah it is...........:nod:...and I also have the right to express my opinions.......Sorry if you felt like I was correcting you or anything,it's just MY OPINION and I respect yours as well......
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In-The-Machine Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2011
I never said you didn't. But from your wording it seemed like you were peeved that I had written this journal.
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Kryione Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2011  Hobbyist Artist
Ehh...no I'm not,it's the kind of journal that evokes opinions and so I posted mine.....:nod:
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FreakieGeekie Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
The licking the bloody knife thing is actually to show that they like the taste of blood and/or they enjoy killing.
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In-The-Machine Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2011
It's also overdone.
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FreakieGeekie Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Yep. Most things in anime are overdone though :3
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In-The-Machine Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2011
That's not really that good of an excuse imo. That just shows they can't really be more creative.
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FreakieGeekie Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
It shows laziness is running rampant though.
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pyronixcore Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
I share your pain.
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CandyCollie Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
I have a character who's a total nutcase.. he's not ebil he's just a total wackjob and people seem to love the hell out of him. X3 Definitely one of the most fun to write for.
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MatthewWolfbane Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
As for 'crazy' characters...
Well, I like Kefka but I don't like my mom.

Guess it kind of depends on what you can handle.
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BlackMorass Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2011
I've concluded that most fandoms will inevitably start to turn to shit over time. As time goes on, and as the fandom or popularity for the base of the fandom grows, you start to find an increasing number of idiots jumping aboard and trying to commandeer the whole thing for themselves. They start making OCs (do not steal!!!!!) in what seems like an attempt to inject themselves into the world, pander to fanon ideas that often have little to nothing to do with canon, and end up loving the fanon shit they've spawned more than canon itself.
And what was once good and reasonably sane has now become a cesspool of neck-bearded retards treating the whole thing as if they were the ones who created the fan base, declaring what is and isn't fit for the fandom while they circle-jerk and shit on everything with an unwarranted arrogance.

It's not like that verbatim for all fandoms, of course. Just another flavor of the same cancer-ridden abomination that invariably brings all fandoms to their knees..
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kitskie Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Lol I love how it's almost always 12-year-olds who love the "crazy" characters, and they think that a character who wears black/has a tragic past is automatically crazy. And of course that that their "crazy" OCs always have to have multiple personalities AND schizophrenia AND amnesia AND have watched their parents be murdered from under the bed.

I prefer crazy characters like James Sunderland, personally. You know, the nice, quiet kind of guy who oh yeah murdered his wife and created a delusional alternate reality. That sort of thing.
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forgotten-light Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2011
Oh agreed on both points.

I've been guilty of saying something fandom wise needs more love, but I only say it when I can't find much of anything for it. Like an entire show I think is really good but there are at most a small handful of fanarts for it, and I can't find many people who know what I'm talking about if I want to talk about it.

The insane character thing is a bit of a pet peeve of mine. I ended up backing out of an OCT partly because half the OCs in it were described as "crazy and unpredictable" which often ends up just being an excuse for the creater of the character to have them do whatever the heck they want on a whim. "Oh he just murdered a bunch of orphens and nuns? Well now he is backing a cake! Cause he is CRAZY!!" I like some "crazy" characters just fine because they can be fun (like Joker) but I don't think liking such a character makes me special or unique in any way.

It's kind of like the people who find obscure characters and then have to make a big deal out of liking them. Not because they geniunely like the character but because somehow liking an obscure character makes them cool and special and they liked them first you know.

Fandom is like a family. You might be a part of it, but sometimes you don't want to admit it.
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In-The-Machine Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2011
I think Joker is a great character whose 'insanity' and slinkiness is meant to serve as a great foil to Batman for a number of reasons. But for a lot of the OC's you see it's like, "i do these things because it is EDGY and i get away with whatever i want lolz!111" or "i am justified in what i do becuz i am schizo and my parents were murdered/i was abused, etc. etc."

I feel pretty much the same for obscure characters. It's good to like them, but when you start beating it over the head or actually -getting upset- at your fandom as a whole for not 'appreciating' the character as much as you, then it's probably going a tad overboard.
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ODBOD Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Story of my life.
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Amaranth-Pink Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2011
Same.
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Dygii Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2011
Or (if someone else hasn't said this already lol) if there's a psychotic character that people obsess over but they all say "he/she needs more love". <_>; Yeesh.

Ugh, is it bad that this journal made me think of Pinkie Pie in the fandom? D|
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Cupcak3Bby Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I agreed, even though I have enjoyed a few 'crazy' characters out there myself xD But I don't think it makes me special or unique.
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Breezetail Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2011
Agreed, but I'm the type of person who hates a character more and more the more I see them...
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yeahgirl11 Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2011  Student Traditional Artist
Lol same here. ;)
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jadisofeternity Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2011  Student General Artist
I think your complaint is almost as cliche as the thing you complain about, I guess that's how it goes with cliches.

I love cliches.
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Overlord-Raven Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2011
I do agree so sincerily.

Kefka, though possibly belonging to point 1), I consider a good example of an insane character; no regard for life, poisoned a whole kingdom, offed his own emperor and brought the world to ruin, only seeming to desire it's destruction after a year of pondering and throwing a temper tantrum in response to the Heroes' reasons for life. He gets more out of control and stronger as the game goes on. Even though his mouth was only visible on his sprite when he laughed, you could tell he had a slasher smile roughly 90% of the time he was on-screen.
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DarkLordRinku Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2011
You bring up a point
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Kyoko-chan16 Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2011  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
I agree with you completely xD

But for me the most misterious/ludicrous thing about fandom is that "need" of pairing anyone and anything together when most of the time it doesn't even make any sense :/
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Kyouseme-Arasaki Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
"People say "so-and-so doesn't get enough love" or "this character could use more attention" when it's actually one of the most popular characters in the fandom and you can find at least six billion pieces of fanart or material related to said character by doing one search alone. "

The definite reason why I like Dallas from Valkyrie Profile 2 (who?!) a lot more than Uchiha Sasuke (everybody knows him)
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Izumiko-san Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't see the first one, in a serious way, at all.

If I do see something like that it's usually the founder of so-so character's fan group trying to promote so-so. I've never see someone legitimately do that.
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In-The-Machine Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2011
I have. And not in a promotional group way either.
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Izumiko-san Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Okay. Is it a particular fandom or...?
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In-The-Machine Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2011
A lot of places.
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moonstonezeffiro Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2011  Student Writer
The second thing is so true about my best friend and it just PISSES ME OFF

She's always like "OH MY CHARACTER'S TOTALLY NUTTS SO COOL EVERYBODY LOVES HER EVEN THOUGH SHE'S A BITCH AND SHE'S ANOREXIC AND AN INSOMNIAC AND SHE'S KILLED A BUNCH OF PEOPLE AND SHE'S CRAZY"

and she has about a million bipolar/schiphrinic... wait... schizophrinic... HOWEVER THE HELL YOU SPELL IT characters that all share the same traits and are all "bad-ass"

so, I'm silently protesting by making most of my characters 1.) SANE and 2.) having y'know real-life diseases that don't make the character a nutt. Say, alzheimer's? autism? things that are just so sad and so common it's a wonder nobody has characters like these?

not to mention Gamzee fuckin' Makara, whom everybody loves BUT KILLED OFF TWO OF THE BEST GODDAMN CHARACTERS

fandoms can be really, really, STUPID
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In-The-Machine Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2011
Gamzee was the least developed character in HS and had the least justification for the murders and he gets all the adoration wat da fuq.
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moonstonezeffiro Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2011  Student Writer
I KNOW

and it doesn't help that Hussie himself said that Gamzee is the most important character in Homestuck >__>
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In-The-Machine Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2011
I'm inclined to think he was just pulling our chains with that one.
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korblborp Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2011
how 'bout ..... SHIPPING DUN Dun dun.

Especially the random ones, or the ones based on a joke?
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Gabalot Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
When I was in my dark days of Warriors fantardation, this was everywhere.
1) "BAWWWW, LEEFPULL NEDZ MAOR LUV!11!!!! BREZEPELT NEDZ MAOR LUV!!!!1!!! nitepelt dzervs maor luv!!1!!!! Por litl emo jayfetfur!"
2) "IM weirds, so dunt get scard wen i say i leik scoruge bcuz hes crazy lol!1!!1!1!"
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G1990 Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2011
Everyone it's crazy. A Normal character it's not cool.
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Kyouseme-Arasaki Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei anime definitely proves this. XD

Everyone > Nami Hitou

XD
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